A forum here in different languages


#26

Dear MDS,

yes, Norm suggested a Hangout forum category. Well, I already hang out in the forum. :sunglasses:

What would be in that ‘hangout’ category? “Let’s go for beer” (with a Dutch website designer maybe residing in England and me sitting right now in Spain)? I am not a forum specialist, but how do you define ‘hangout’? Maybe I imagine it wrongly.
In my opinion already now users sometimes write in categories that have nothing to do with the actual Heading of the topic. Well, that happens and is difficult to avoid.
However, I instantly and totally would loose any potential valuable contribution if it is in a language I do not understand.
I am German and speak other languages too, however, I personally think, Blocs is in English and that requires the knowledge of English to deal with it. Later on, maybe there will be country specific forums. Or if anyone opens a forum outside of the owned by Blocs forum, why not. And so many people worldwide speak English especially if it is concerning business affairs. Even the Chinese send their kids to e.g. Newcastle to study. And these are huge numbers for the universities (hat’s how universities own so many real estates in Newcastle alone).
Blocs is not as easy as iWeb was. It has quite an understanding and learning curve in order to do any of the more interesting parts with it. For a new user to read the (English) manual is a must.


#27

LOL then let’s delete all non English posts, ban non English users and kill private messaging since we loose all those potential valuable contributions :smile:

Seriously I do not see what the point is of trying to force everyone into using one single language, let people decide…


#28

@MDS

People will still see most of the posts in English but will have the option of asking other members in their own language for primary or additional assistance.

“Most” is the keyword here.

I do not think it is a good idea to exclude people who may not have the best command of English.

I totally agree with you. Not everybody speaks perfect English (what the heck, most Englishmen I know will be quick to say they don’t).

However, starting separate language-specific groups, in my eyes, is the wrong way to go. The user base of blocs is not big enough for that - yet!
If some bloc users start posting their questions in their local languages, it will leave the majority of blocs users out in the cold, for the simple fact that not everybody speaks German or French or whatever other language will be used.

Another forum member has mentioned two translation tools he is using. I think that is the way to go.

Maybe @Wam could share his/her experience using these translation tools (Do you know any tools which are free of charge?) and @Norm could add a sticky thread to the forum with a download link and an explanation how to use these tools to post something on the forum in English.

Thus anybody not completely comfortable in the use of English can still write his/her questions/thoughts/solutions in their native language and we all can still search the threads (in English).

Another two cent


#29

Yes, let people decide and that’s what we do here so that Norm can see what discussion arguments are brought up for a pro and a contra. He then will decide what to do in his company’s forum. and we all have contributed. Great. :wink:


#30

@MDS I understand the “hangout” page, but you have to be honest in one thing, probably YOU and only YOU will have the good sense to “hangout” in the “Non English” page and contribute in the “English” forum with code, ideas and help, but… and there is always a but… the majority of the “Non English” users will use the “hangout” page to put their questions, and receive the answers. So they will be helped and ZERO contribution for the “COMMUNITY” English or Non-English.
About the BlocsApp and translations, what happens in the others app, and lets talk about Apple for exemple they have a FAQ in all languages, but their forums or helps are always in English. If there is a problem, or a solution that they want to make public, they create that page in all languages. You see in AppStore, when someone comment an app in French normally the developers answer in English.

I’m not saying that the non-english are not important, and I like to speak Portuguese, but if I write:
“Gostava de oferecer cem paus a quem saiba o que estou a escrever neste momento” probably you will not bother to translate and move one to another topic, but if you translate it probably you will be pleased.

Just my 0,0000001 cents, but I will keep here, and now I have to help @JDW… (even he could write in Japanese, and trust me I will not understand one single thing if he write it in Japanese)


#31

Non capisco niente.


#32

My last contribution to this interesting thread :wink:

My mindset is surely more inclusive than exclusive. I understand the fears of some here and at the same time I would welcome the opportunities a simple “other language” category could provide.

That said whatever is or not decided, if it is in my area of expertise I will gladly assist in other languages too and even translate back to English. :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:

MDS


#33

:astonished:

Looks like I’ve opened a can of worms here.


#34

Anche io non capisco un cazo


#35

Let the worms crawl,

I think it’s just about not jumping between two or three forums when you enter a native keyword.

In my opinion the worm can can now be closed again.

The Blocsapp doesn’t have to be multilingual either.

We have a super great community here!
All wiiling to help eachother in whatever language… but english fits best (BREXIT shouldn´t stopp us!)
Let’s go on doing the same for the future.


#36

Yes, you have! I just as soon you open the store…:sunglasses:

casey


#37

+1 * 6

I doubt such fragmentation would benefit the app or the community. Although specific resources across the web are found in various languages, English remains the common denominator.

You may wish to check with your Discourse Hosting provider, as there is a Discourse translation plugin. Which to me would be a better facilitation for helping multilingual users read and communicate without introducing fragmentation across the forum.

Also if not already enabled, I believe in the admin you can allow users to chose their own language interface preference, etc.

2 cents.


#38

English is fine with me :wink: My Blocs App is installed in English on a German OS. Can Blocs be installed in other languages?


#39

:rofl::rofl::rofl:


#40

By all straight work…
Let us not forgetting our comman sense of humor!
German is the least wanted language - ORANJE bove! (NL) @r_botman :stuck_out_tongue_winking_eye:
I love this forum - Europe is english speeking as a matter of fact.
But hey, still funny


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#41

Thanks for all the great and funny answers … a great forum here!

My idea was simple, namely, the detour via a translator program is annoying … and even then, one is sometimes not sure if one has expressed oneself correctly.

Therefore, when it is introduced, the forums should of course be separate from each other. You are then either in English or in the XY language forum.
Thank you, Thomas
PS.: And thank you Norm for the open willingness


Mac apps, were much easier to use for me as a Windows user ( X years ago ). I am no Dreamweaver, no Adobe user, … I wanted a simple WYSIWYG program, which I can understand even after 6 months of break … therefore my decision for Blocs. Despite all the professional possibilities in Blocs. And this I posaunt/advertised … private.

That’s why I thought a quick and easy communication … you’re tired from work, but want to take your site further, without translation programs into English for questions … would be worth a forum in your own language. The “wow” about the professionals in it, no matter in which language, is a nice addition, and one accepts it gratefully - because that’s why one asks, because one has no time for all the knowledge - and in another language, all the more difficult.

My decision for Blocs was to have professionals do the work and the knowledge for you. You’re grateful for that and you pay. That’s the way.
I simplify … but it’s true.

There are enough complicated and high-quality programs …
but individualism for laymen in it few.
Therefore, forums in their own language … because it encourages.

My 5 cents, my friends ask me how to do it… and I have no idea.
Because the more beautiful Blocs becomes, the more complex it becomes.


#42

An integrated solution seems the best in my opinion.

Inherent language fragmentation seems like it would be more annoying for the majority of users and to the detriment of the forums. Where as integrated solutions would be a two way bridge for all users.


#43

Good morning to everybody!!

After a few hours without reading the forum, Woooo !!! I found this can of worms (thanks @Norm for opening it) and that gives us all an idea of ​​how good that forum is.

As asked @area49 my experience after more than 1 year using the forum is that, I have not had any problem in understanding and following the threads of the forum, as well as I think most of you have understood me quite well. My language is Spanish and I use the two tools that I mentioned in this thread (Translation) to translate into English.

In my humble opinion I think the forum should continue as it is because opening the different possibilities of several languages ​​will create more problems than the current operation.

One idea, that I use, is to put my comments, many times, in both languages ​​(English and Spanish), because that way you can copy my original text in Spanish and think about a translator.

This leads me to think that the #handstand that commented could be added @Norm, but only to locate those double comments.

Although I am not in favor of limiting anyone for their interests, freedom and ideas come first.

But I would never have more than one language as a forum official (English). In this way the forum will remain practical and its use (queries, search keywords, topics, etc …) will be the same for everyone.

Another recommendation that I suggest to @Norm is that if it can be done, when a user posts a problem with Blocs, it also publishes a video recording of the problem it presents, because the visual aid for this topic is very useful. For me it has been fundamental when there is an explanatory video in a published topic.

This my humble intervention of 0.0001 cents

Thank you all for your time and your help. I do not put names of users to not leave any to me without mentioning.

Best regards.

En español:

Buenos días a todos!!

Después de unas horas sin leer el foro, Woooo !!! me he encontrado con esta lata de gusanos (gracias @Norm por abrirla) y que nos da a todos una idea de lo bueno que es eso foro.

Como pedía @area49 mi experiencia después de mas de 1 año utilizando el foro es que, yo no he tenido ningún problema en entender y seguir los hilos del foro, así como creo que la mayoría de vosotros me habéis entendido bastante bien. Mi idioma es el español y utilizo las dos herramientas que os comente en este hilo ( ) para traducir al ingles.

En mi humilde opinión creo que el foro debería seguir como está porque abrir las diferentes posibilidades de varios idiomas nos va a crear mas problemas que el funcionamiento actual.

Una idea, que yo utilizo, es poner mis comentarios, muchas veces, en los dos idiomas (ingles y español), porque así se puede copiar mi texto original en español y pensarlo en un traductor.

Esto que me lleva a pensar que podría añadirse los #handstand que comentaba @Norm, pero solo para localizar esos dobles comentarios.

Aunque yo no soy partidario de limitar a nadie por sus intereses, la libertad y las ideas son lo primero.

Pero nunca tendría mas de un idioma como oficial del foro (ingles). De esta forma el foro seguirá siendo practico y su utilización (consultas, palabras clave de busqueda, temas, etc…) será la misma por parte de todos.

Otra recomendación que sugiero a @Norm es que si se puede hacer, cuando un usuario publica un problema con Blocs, publicase también una grabación en vídeo del problema que presenta, porque la ayuda visual para este tema es muy útil. Para mi ha sido fundamental cuando en un tema publicado hay un video explicativo.

Esta mi humilde intervención de 0,0001 centavos

Gracias a todos por vuestro tiempo y vuestra ayuda.
No pongo nombres de usuarios para no dejarme a ninguno sin mencionar.

Saludos cordiales.


#44

Muchísimas gracias Wam por tomarse el tiempo para explicar tu manera de hacer las cosas y tu experiencia con ello en el foro.

Thank you Wam for taking the time to explain your way of doing things and your experience with it in the forum.


#45

I’m sorry to resurrect this topic, but I want just share NOT CRITICIZE a topic that is developing here.
And I will repeat, the topic is well addressed for the right forum members.
But anyone, can understand the topic and the needs of the user.
But after that, at least me, I couldn’t understand nothing. And if it is a subject that I’m interested, or I can give my help, I will not help, or understand.
And this subject if appears in the forum again, some of the users can reply mentally thinking:
“that was already explained, I will not reply, let him find out”
But they didn’t remember that the answer was given in other language.

Just my 0,0022 cents.
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